TS Meeting Minutes Archive

Nov 4, 2007	Nov 11, 2007	Nov 18, 2007	Nov 25, 2007
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November 4, 2007
Passes
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* A fun storage proposal - A proposal to create a storage class which is accessible and available to those with both small and big pockets without having 'online' resources taken.
* Vampire: Potence - Proposal to increase the duration of potence to at least 50 rounds. In addition, allow the skill to be used in any style, including berserk.
* Paladin Scan - Survey - Proposal to give paladins a scan equivalent skill, called survey, that lets them see the alignment of the being, and the intentions of the being, but not the name or description.
* Divination addition - When an augurer cast divination on an item, and they were in the area from which the item originated (the vnum matches the range of the area), the augurer gets a "The aura of <item> seems to fit in here" with a percentage equal to their luck.

* Druid: Boannaich Nadur - Proposal to increase the duration of boannaich
nadur by at least 70%.

* Garnering Information from Liaisons - Proposal to create a forum thread in which members may post questions pertaining to current, past, or future proposals and ideas, to which they wish liaisons and/or CoE to respond. Each week, unanswered questions will be written up in a note and passed upwards. If questions can be answered at a liaison level, they can be, and those remaining are to be passed to CoE. The responses are to be posted at the following meeting, or a note is made that the immortal councils require more time to research the answer and will post the following week, or after a specified time. The questions may be refused due to confidentiality of code or current immortal projects. Questions which are not refused are not to be left unanswered without a time line for an answer.

Moved back to Forums
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* Making DT's more.... graphic?

* Overhauling spell damage and cost


Passed by Liasons
- Augurer Spell Backlash
- Deathsphere Spell
- Herald Death Modification
- Housing Command - Sendaway
- Make Aid Usable in Combat
- Pets in PK
- Firing different kinds of Arrows

Denied by Liasons
- Buffer Proposal - Very long essays are easier to read in chunks, perhaps resubmit as a slightly longer, but not double length.
- Glory Discount Owner Tagged Items - Glory requires high cost to add stats, it's meant to be expensive. This risks devaluing glory.
- Woodland Harmony Modification - Behaves like other spelldowns.
- Remove spam protection - this protect the mud from chronic lag.
- Pet Extra Attacks - charmed, "entranced" mobs should not retain their awareness and fighting ability. If builders want to make pets that can attack, however, they may do so already.
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November 11, 2007
Passes
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* No proposals to pass on this week. All posted proposals have been up less than one week and require more time for voting.

Discussion
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* Discussion over offline storage concepts and black skin tone.

FAILED BY LIAISONS
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*Leadership Proposal - Choosing who leads a group based on stats is not the best way to pick a leader. Nearly all chars in game will have low cha, many will have other low stats, chosen to make them into better runners. Some races and classes would never be good for leading, and many current chars would have to be remade. The knowledge of the run, experience, and preparation, make a good leader. This would make runs more confusing, trying to calculate out stats for bonuses. Also, reducing the current org-leader bonus is a step backwards.
*Storage Slaves - Distasteful to be encouraging slavery. This would have a very negative effect on levelling and on low-stat chars, people would just gold to buy a slave instead of levelling one. Only elite characters would be worth buying since nobody would need storage chars anymore, removing a source of income for people. Part of the game is managing what you can carry/store, and making this too easy would encourage people to stash more junk. Everyone is equal in being able to make storage...no need to give options to richer folks.

PASSED BY LIAISONS
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*High con clears Stomach faster
*Divination Addition
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November 18, 2007
Passes
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* Posters of Notes/Mail - Proposal to make it so that the name of the person who FIRST mudsigns a note (the first person to post it) should be saved with the note and never changed.
* Owner Tags on Different Items - Proposal for further advancing the use of owner tags on items besides holdable items. These should not affect the game currently, but will expand possibilities for builders/imms using an already existent variable. Examples include: containers, key, drinkcon, switch/lever/pullchain/dial/button, trap, piece, portal, etc.
* Staff/Scroll/Wand Lag Modification - Although TS was not able to agree on exact formulae, it was generally agreed that that staff timing range from 1.0-3.0 rounds, and scroll/wand timing range from 0.6-2.0 rounds. It was also determined that these effects be determined by a combination of wisdom and intelligence.
* Allowing Multiple Pets - It is proposed that characters be allowed to buy, own, and have saved in their pfile, more than one pet.
* Show align restricted spells/skills on slist - This proposal is to change slist so it shows all spells and skills available to a class, but the ones which wouldn't be usable by the character at its current alignment would have the number after the percent sign greyed out to denote that. The practice screen would be unaffected and would continue to only show skills and spells which can be or have been practiced.
* Kindle fire changes - The following effects and changes be enacted to 'kindle fire' Only one kindled fire may exist in any one room at any time. If 'kindle fire' is used in a room with a kindled fire, the skill will fail. Kindled fires will be given a 'stoke fire' command program that will use a fuel in the character's inventory to extend the life (timer) of the kindled fire. All characters and mobs in a room with a kindled fire gain +10% resistance to cold.

Fails
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* Parry Modification (3) Examples and Pros/Cons

PASSED by CoE
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Style dependant armor/weapons
Dwarf Paladins
Erasing Scribed Scrolls
Drunk Speech Modification
Checkweight Housing Command
Barbarians - Free Trip to New Darkhaven

FAILED by CoE
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*Barbarians - Lizardmen - Please see Kali's note below.
*Improve Grasp Suspiria...send back for rework. MST affect is a non-starter for just about any skill/spell. Also, would rather revisit the formula than give them an insane boost at night.
*Directional Flee. This is too powerful, even with the percentages. It makes it far too easy to bypass certain mobs that aren't meant to be bypassed.
*Ruinous Fate. The MST is something that is very rarely affected by spells, and CoE does not want to make more spells tampering with it at this time. Also, if you want to propose a PK single target spell for augurers, you should do just that, limiting it to pkill.
*Fan of Knives. Felt that thieves are in quite good shape and don't need what amounts to an area attack.

A response from Kali about Lizardmen and their removal --
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The original reason for removing lizardmen was that there were no discernible difference between any of the races, especially lizardmen. They were considered the most expendable as their stats were so horrid that no one bothered with them.

The only reason they've become popular obsessions is their removal. Putting them back is really only about making a handful of players happy. And once they're back, people will realize why no one used them before. Making them barbarians doesn't solve much for the original reason of removing them.
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November 25, 2007
No passes or fails

Discussion on Lizardmen, and on Vampire Form-changing.
 

Passed by Liaisons
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Paladin Spell - Survey
Adjustments to Potence and Boannaich Nadur

Failed by Liaisons
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Garnering information from Liaisons - TS members should gather their own information by playing the game to learn what they need to know, or by asking other mortals who already have that knowledge. In rare instances when someone does need help with a specific question, TS members are certainly welcome to ask whichever Liaison seems most appropriate. Polling a large spectrum of random players may also be of help to you.
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December 2007

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